You're still killing me. There seems to be three more simple ideas that you fail to grasp:

1. Sarah Palin isn't the one running for President, so stop wasting time and resources on her. Every time you go through the minutia about what may or may not have happened with "troopergate," "bridge to nowhere," or whatever, I start banging my head against my desk. She's like Teflon. Even if everything you're ranting about is actually true, none of it's going to stick. You already lost your credibility when it comes to her with the stupid ass attacks on her family so even if you have anything legitimate to say (which you probably do), people have tuned you out. The more Democrats and the media attack her, the more people like her.

Besides why focus on her when you have John McCain who was one of the Keating Five to rake over the coals? The dude should have gone to prison over that and probably would have if he wasn't a war hero. And now he's running as fighting corruption and bringing reform to Washington and none of you bring this up? WTF? Stop with the stupid cracks about lipstick, the bullshit about her qualifications and all the other stuff and focus on the guy that's actually on the top of the ticket.

2. The attitude of "OMG rednecks, why don't you know that we're best for you, you stupid assholes? Vote for us now, plz!" is going to alienate more people than it will win over. This kind of condescension and class warfare is why you lost the last election.

3. Hollywood stars ranting and raving on your behalf only reinforces the idea that Hollywood/blue states/liberal media/Washington are out of touch. Explain to them that they are not helping and put a freaking muzzle on them.

Stop dicking around. You're missing the forest for the trees and it's painful to watch.
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From: [identity profile] xenzen.livejournal.com


The Democrats probably didn't dare to bring up the Keating Five because all but McCain were Democrats, and he got off fairly easily.

From: [identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com


True, but I think most of the Democrats that were a part of it are out of office. I dunno, I would have thought that Obama, who is supposed to be an agent of change, would jump at the chance to call out McCain on this. Even if he does have to yell at his own party, that would just give him more creditability as an agent of change.

From: [identity profile] xenzen.livejournal.com


I'd think it would give McCain more leverage than it would Obama. McCain would go, "Oh, I learned my lesson, but hey, at least it weren't us reformist Republicans what got their butts put in the fire -- oh, no, it were them naughty Democrats! You can't trust them!"

The Democrats need something much more juicy than that, like maybe McCain screwed the pooch literally, and there are videos to prove it!

From: [identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com


Heh, you're probably right in that it would give McCain the chance to show how he's a changed man... or something. But hell, that's got to be better than pissing off a huge chunk of the electorate with ads about old people and lack of e-mail skillz.

From: [identity profile] nivenus.livejournal.com


Actually, I thought that was true (that old people don't generally know how to use email) but it's actually not. For his demographic McCain is actually highly unusual (or so I've read). Of course, that's including the fact that he's a male and white.

Also, I thought it was unimportant until someone pointed out to me the fact that the internet is likely to be a subject for many, many laws over the next several decades. It'd be nice if the next president was more informed about the medium than our last president. McCain, however, is less educated about the internet than Bush who at least knows how to use "the google."

I'm not saying it isn't kind of a weak attack. But it's actually more relevant than I initially thought it was.

From: [identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com


From what I understand, he does use the internet but he doesn't email because of some damage to his body that he got while a POW. Which he mentioned in an interview with the Boston Globe in 2000 (http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/McCain_character_loyal_to_a_fault+.shtml) as well as a Forbes article from the same year (http://www.forbes.com/asap/2000/0529/053_print.html) where he says:

In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate’s savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. “She’s a whiz on the keyboard, and I’m so laborious,” McCain admits.

Honestly, that's just tacky (or at the very least really bad research) on the Obama campaign's part. Plus the fact that there are a lot of older people who don't use the internet, but that might get offended by that add. Pissing off a voting block by making cracks about age just doesn't make much strategic sense to me.

From: [identity profile] nivenus.livejournal.com


If that's the case than it certainly is a low-blow (I wouldn't be too surprised - I know he can't raise his arms above his head), though it still seems slightly lame to me (I mean - they do have programs that take voice instead of keyboard). I'd have to do a fact check.

And you're right about pissing off a demographic. However, having seen the ad, I don't remember it specifically attacking McCain because of his age.

In good news: Obama apparently does have something to attack McCain with. Karl Rove said McCain's attacks were too "dishonest."

From: [identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com


In good news: Obama apparently does have something to attack McCain with. Karl Rove said McCain's attacks were too "dishonest."

Heh, I got a big kick out of that. You know the end times are coming when Democrats and Karl Rove are on the same side.

From: [identity profile] nivenus.livejournal.com

After examining the case...


I think I know why the Keating Five came up. One, xenzen's got a good point about the fact that it wouldn't make a particularly strong argument vs. the GOP since all but McCain were Democrats. It might work, but then again it might just make it easier for the GOP to wave off the attacks.

More importantly, it's old news. Old... old news. Like the 80s. Not too many voters are interested in events that happened more than ten or fifteen years ago. Remember '04 and the Vietnam War stuff about Bush and Kerry? Same thing. People, I think, would overall see this as a weak and desperate attack by Obama against McCain.

You're right about Palin, but I think something jucier and (more importantly) newer will be needed as a spearhead attack against McCain.

From: [identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com

Re: After examining the case...


I know that it's old news, but it just seems to me that for a guy that's running himself as the grand reformer of Washington, it's something that the Democrats might want to mention on occasion. Hell, it certainly couldn't hurt to bring it up and it's got to be more effective than some of the stupid ads the democrats are running at the moment (like the one about e-mail. There was much banging of the head on the desk about that one.)


You're right about Palin, but I think something jucier and (more importantly) newer will be needed as a spearhead attack against McCain.

I agree. Whatever it is, they'd better come up with it fast though.

From: [identity profile] athenaprime.livejournal.com


None of the big three Dem blog frontpagers really touched the family. But there are a lot of people out there who want to know why her family's off limits when the platform her party's running on won't keep its nose out of everyone else's families.

The O campaign is still focusing on McCain in stump speeches and ads. The Democratic party has never really embraced the whole "strict lockstep on message from the top down." That just ain't the nature of the beast.

It is annoying to see so many people going on about "a PTA mom/hockey mom/mother/babywearer/woman in the white house" and have to remind them that John McCain ain't ded yet, but it is really frickin' scary to think that PTA politics is going to be that close to the red button. I'm hip-deep in PTO right now and it's enough to give a sane person a case of the hives.

Personally, my favorite personal theory is that they weren't looking for a VP...just a young and healthy host for the Eternal Spirit of Ghoulish Evilness that is Dick Cheney to inhabit. The current one's looking a little corpsey around the edges.

Ah well, back to the Science Channel. Fifty-some more days until the silliness is over. Maybe I will spring for HBO, if only for TrueBlood, because the fifteen minutes of it that I saw looked awesome as all get-out.

From: [identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com


It is annoying to see so many people going on about "a PTA mom/hockey mom/mother/babywearer/woman in the white house" and have to remind them that John McCain ain't ded yet, but it is really frickin' scary to think that PTA politics is going to be that close to the red button. I'm hip-deep in PTO right now and it's enough to give a sane person a case of the hives.

This is a good point. Once fancy school is finished next year, Erik's going to public schools. The world of the PTA kinda fascinates me and frightens me at the same time. I have a feeling I'm going to find it scarier than national politics lol.

Ah well, back to the Science Channel. Fifty-some more days until the silliness is over. Maybe I will spring for HBO, if only for TrueBlood, because the fifteen minutes of it that I saw looked awesome as all get-out.

I think this is the only sane option. I'm rather tempted to block out all of the 24/7 news channels and just watch Project Runway or Deadliest Catch reruns until November.

From: [identity profile] fezastwin.livejournal.com




Most of my TV stations are based in PA, which must be a total battleground state.

I swear every commercial break it's Obama being all Hopey-Changey, followed by McCain being all ... Old-Experiencey or something.
Is it like that everywhere with the ads, or just the dreaded battleground states?

I really don't get Obama's pick of Joe Biden. I'm close enough to Delaware to be slightly familiar with him, and he always struck me as a bit of a blowhard. Real Old school politics man, not my idea of hopey-changy at all.


While Hillary as a possible VP pick had good-idea/bad-idea issues, Joe Biden? WTF? Even if he decided no Hillery, he couldn't find someone else besides Biden?


But back to your topic - The Palin attacks and the whole "OMG dumb Rednecks" attitude coming from the Dems is mind boggling to me. They really don't seem to get it.

Why haven't they hired you yet, Pris?



From: [identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com


Is it like that everywhere with the ads, or just the dreaded battleground states?

Yeah it's like that here too, and it's non freaking stop. This is a totally new experience for me. Michigan generally misses out on presidential ad fights altogether since we're usually so pro-Democrat. I mean heck, the last time this state was in play, I was 13 years old lol... so it's totally crazy to see all these ads all of the sudden as well as the personal appearances of the candidates popping up in our state everywhere. All I can say is that I'm so glad I don't have a land line phone (cell phones ftw!). I have friends that get harassed by pollsters and those automatic campaign messages non freaking stop.

While Hillary as a possible VP pick had good-idea/bad-idea issues, Joe Biden? WTF? Even if he decided no Hillery, he couldn't find someone else besides Biden?

Yeah, I have to agree with this. I totally don't understand the reasoning with that pick, especially when the whole entire theme of your campaign is "Change." When the one executive-like decision that you get to make (picking the VP) is to pick one of the oldest, left wing, dudes in the Senate, it kind of undercuts that message that you want to shake up the establishment. I think this is why McCain has been able to co-opt Obama's change message so well, because he actually did pick a new face and outsider.

I mean, I get why Obama didn't pick Hillary (because let's face it, having two Clintons to manage during a campaign would be like herding cats), but you'd think he would have picked someone younger like Evan Bayh or female like Kathleen Sebelius.

But back to your topic - The Palin attacks and the whole "OMG dumb Rednecks" attitude coming from the Dems is mind boggling to me. They really don't seem to get it.

No they don't. I thought they'd learned their lesson from the Kerry campaign. Obama was doing really well staying out of the class warfare until Palin was announced, and then the press, the blogosphere and the Obama supporters went batshit crazy. It's like they saw that she was from Alaska, was a mom and hunted moose and just couldn't stop themselves from being total jackasses.

Why haven't they hired you yet, Pris?

LOL, I suspect that I'd be too middle America/rednecky for them.

From: [identity profile] xenzen.livejournal.com


I suspect it's more because they know Pris won't be able to restrain herself from using the Pimp Hand of Common Sense. Red slap marks on faces are not photogenic.

From: [identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. YES EXACTLY LIKE THIS.

My favorite part.. "His first words are going to be 'where's my momma?"

*dies*
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