prisoner_24601: Dragon Age (Default)
prisoner_24601 ([personal profile] prisoner_24601) wrote2009-12-17 12:26 pm

I finally finished Dragon Age.

I kind of feel like I just ran a marathon or something. I have no idea how you all ended up beating the game so damn quickly, because it took me like 90+ hours to finish it (and I didn't even do everything). True, probably 20 of those hours were spent with the game idle and me afk chasing after the anklebiters or making dinner or whatever, but still, that was a damn long game.

Overall, I thought it was pretty fun. Not the greatest or most original game ever, but pretty consistently entertaining. If I were going to grade it against other Bioware titles, I'd have to say that I didn't enjoy it as much as Knights of the Old Republic or Balder's Gate 2, but thought it was light years better than Jade Empire. I'd put it on the same enjoyment level as Mass Effect, although the strengths of those two games seem to be the opposite from each other. Mass Effect had a more interesting plot line that was much tighter and very well thought out, but the NPC's fell kind of flat. Dragon Age had this sprawley behemoth of a plot that many times was too big and too disorganized and was often really, really contrived, but I liked the NPC interaction much better.



Some thoughts:

The Characters

Bioware really loves those character archtypes don't they? This time we get Canderous (Sten) and HK-47 (Shale) from Knights of the Old Republic and Viconia (Morrigan) from Balder's Gate. If Bioware is going to insist on putting a Canderous analog in every single one of their games, I think we need to start insisting that they finally let us romance him. At least Alistair wasn't giving off Carth vibes, which is a big improvement over the last several games.

Overall, I liked the characters though, even the ones that were regurgitations from past games. I thought that Alistair was a lot of fun to have around and had some of the best banters with everyone in the party. Honestly, I kept waiting for him and Morriagan to just start making out, so I felt vindicated in the end when he sleeps with her for the ritual. True love or whatever with the PC aside, I bet Alistair had been wanting to tap that since they met.

Leliana grew on me too, although she annoyed me at first. Zevran I thought I was going to hate (I hate elves on general principle), but his Antonio Bandares voice and shameless sexual advances and dialogue towards the party as a whole cracked me up. He and Wynne had the best banters of the whole damn game (that shit was hilarious). I wish I could have kept him around more, but I never really got around to making him like me, and he ended up betraying my party which was a bummer. Ogren was really funny to have around as well (loved the line about tattooing his name on your ass in bruises).

As for non party NPC's, I liked both Anora and Logain (although I suspect that there is probably much fangirlish rage directed in Anora's direction). I ended up choosing her for the throne over Alistair, because let's face it - as nice of a guy as Alistair is, he'd make a totally shitty and weak king. So I ended up getting the ending where you both stay together and rebuild the Grey Wardens, which after finding out what all the endings were, made the most sense to me. I may end up going back though and convincing Alistair and Anora to marry to see what happens, because that also made sense too.

The Romances

I thought the Alistair romance was okay. Overall, I liked him as a character, but he's just not my type. I think I understand all of the fangirl squee - he trips all the right buttons (he's young, hot, funny, and has that whole awkward thing that's supposed to be endearing) and on top of it, he doesn't come with baggage that a frustrated a lot of the true love fangirl contingent with Carth (dead wives and hostile kids - although that's why I found Carth interesting myself, lol). Maybe it's my age, or maybe he's just too goofy to be my type, but I was pretty indifferent about the romance angle and really only completed it out of curiosity more than anything else.

Having watched my husband romance Morrigan on his Dwarf Rogue though, I have to say though that the Alistair romance is 100 times better than the goofyness that is the Morrigan romance. I wanted to romance Leliana, but I failed to trigger it one of the early conversations (because I thought I could get to it later) and then it never came up again. And Zevran - he was just way too goofy and over the top for me to really even try.

And omg, I didn't think there was a way to make the sex even sillier than in Mass Effect, but the good people at Bioware have totally proven me wrong.

The Gameplay

Sometimes it was fun, but a lot of times it was a tedious slog. I thought I was NEVER going to get out of the Deep Roads. They should keep the difficulty (I liked that the combat wasn't super easy like other Bioware games) but cut the number of battles and the sizes of the dungeons in half.

Also - wtf, Bioware? Why do you have such a freaking hard time making hair that doesn't look completely ridiculous? And what the hell is up with the mage robes? Please, for the love of god, go over to Mod the Sims, and hire some of those artists to create hairstyles and clothing that doesn't look completely idiotic.

The Fans

Frankly, the Alistair fangirl contingent scares the hell out of me. The rabid devotion that Alistair has inspired is rather amazing, and I think it even tops the Carth fangirls from back in the day.

I found all of the outrage over Mages, Dwarves and Elves not being able to marry Alistair and become queen really hilarious. I mean, the dude so obviously does not want to be king, and here is this woman who would actually make a decent queen who wants the job, but they end up goading Alistair into taking the throne anyway, and then he ends their romance. Whereas if they'd listened to what Alistair actually wanted and gave Anora the throne they'd get to be Grey Wardens with their one true love. I'm sorry, but that's freaking priceless.

All the fangirling inspires evil urges where Alistair and Anora end up getting married and Alistair gets over the PC and lives a happy life with his wife. Or an Alistair/Leliana story or something. I kind of want to write some Sten/Leliana stuff too - they seem like they'd make an interesting pair.

Anyway a fun game, but not super awesome. I may go back and play through the other beginnings just to see those parts, but there's no freaking way I'd play through the whole thing again.

[identity profile] rose70.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay, someone else to discuss it with! Heather and I have been alone until now :)

I agree with mostly all your points. I couldn't decide if I liked or hated Alistair until the end of the game, and then I decided that he worked. For a while, I couldn't reconcile Mr. Noble Grey Warden/ex-Templar with Virgin Awkward McJokesALot. I played a City Elf, and when he asked if I'd ever "licked a lamp post," I answered no (figuring that the elves with their arranged marriages and what not probably didn't?)-- and then found the sex scene particularly hilarious since both of them were supposedly virgins.

I also couldn't decide if I bought/liked Leiliana for a while--up until she started describing how she'd dress up Morrigan if she could. Then I loved her, lol.

I thought it would take me a lot longer to get through it than it did...it could be that I have the PS3 version, and thus could play it while hanging out with my fiance (rather than shutting myself in the office at the computer).

I had some big issues with my PS3 version. I also chose Anora over Alistair (Such a DUH choice. Although then afterwards, at the battle, where he made the big speech, I was like, um, weren't you bitching earlier that you didn't want to be king because you'd have to make speeches?). However, while I got the right cutscene at the time, something broke in my game, because every single person/event afterwards acted as though I had chosen Alistair. It was supremely annoying, and I kept yelling at the TV, "I didn't do this!"

I also broke a few companions at the end apparently too--I got a marriage conversation with Alistair, and then suddenly afterwards had a "What happens when you're king?" conversation, where he was all uncertain about our future. This was doubly annoying. Despite clearly rejecting Leiliana as a romance earlier in the game, I somehow turned it back on and she told me she loved me-- leading me to have the jealousy "pick one of us!" conversation with Alistair next-- AFTER we had the marriage conversation! Not sure if it is my fault or the game's, but the bugs made the end of the game less enjoyable for me.

Check out [livejournal.com profile] swooping_is_bad. There be Alistair fangirling there, oh my...

I loved the banter. It was one of my favorite parts of the game, and at one point I was just running around aimlessly with different combinations of people trying to trigger it. I also got an Alistair/Leiliana vibe from their banter--like if I wasn't around/was male, they would totally hook up.

I couldn't get Zevran to like me either, although he didn't betray me (dunno if this was more stuff breaking?). I hear that if you romance him, although you sleep with him like immediately, he becomes pretty interesting and less over the top through the rest.

I also want to play through the rest of the origins, but I doubt I will play through the rest again too--unless I try to reload and get the game to actually acknowledge that I chose Anora, lol.

[identity profile] winterfox.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
(although I suspect that there is probably much fangirlish rage directed in Anora's direction)

What? Why? I thought she was the best-done female character in the whole game. Not that that says a lot necessarily, but still, she's a huge improvement over nearly every single Bioware female character ever.

he trips all the right buttons (he's young, hot, funny, and has that whole awkward thing that's supposed to be endearing)

Yeaah, not getting it either, so either I don't have the "right" wiring or I'm going on fifty. I also pursued the romance with him as far as I could, then lol'ed and picked Zevran. I'd have gone for Leliana probably if I hadn't found her so useless for combat and left her in camp 90% of the time.

I may go back and play through the other beginnings just to see those parts, but there's no freaking way I'd play through the whole thing again.

Ditto, though currently Batman: AA takes up all my gaming time, and then The Void, and then another attempt with Ass Creed, and etc etc.

I avoid the fandom religiously because of the fangirl factor. What little I've glimpsed through non-Bioware sites is enough to make me run without looking back. Legolas/Aragorn LOTR fangirls all over again.

[identity profile] singblueeyes.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah...what can I say. I loves me some Alistair. Might have something to do with the fact that I married a sweet, shy, slightly awkward hottie...heheh ... but, in the end, it was Alistair's ability to rip the heads of darkspawn that thawed my cold little heart. Seriously...I tanked this guy out, and when the entire party went down, I could keep the game rolling as he cleaned up the mess.
Although, I completely agree on not making him king. He doesn't want it. He's pledged his life and death to the wardens. There's someone perfectly qualified to do the job.
As for Sten romances...after hearing this http://video.aol.co.uk/video-detail/sten-and-morrigan-party-banter-dragon-age-origins/858093100 my dwarven tank is ALL OVER THAT. Want nOW!!! LOL

[identity profile] winterfox.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I couldn't get Zevran to like me either, although he didn't betray me

Spam gifts.

[identity profile] singblueeyes.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Ohh...also...about Anora...my rage wasn't 'fangirlish' rage...it was "Did you just betray me and call me a kidnapper???" rage...very different thing. *glowers*
LOL

[identity profile] trojanphoenix.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
For me the Alistair thing is all about THE VOICE. Yep, shameless fangirl here.

[identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG! hahahahahahaha. I die. See, I want to be all pissed at Bioware for putting an obvious Canderous type in the game, and then they do shit like that, and it makes me forgive them. I loved the dialogue with him about cookies and the Leliana/Sten banter about picking flowers and "kitten training" too.

Yeah Alistair totally does kick ass in the game. When he's all tanked out, he's really useful. Plus he gets all the cool finishing moves, which I have to admit, kinda hot, lol.

[identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
After I picked Anora there was definitely some game goofyness. For one thing, at one point Alistair started talking about how people keep looking at him because he's their king and I was all WTF? But that seemed to be the extent of it. Everyone else seemed to go with it the rest of the time.

I think maybe it took so long because I just suck at combat. I played on normal (which seemed more like hard to me), and parts of the game were rather difficult for me. During several main battles, I kept dying and I had to reload a lot.

The banter was really fun. I kept swapping people out too just to see what they'd do. My husband is playing too, so I get to see some of the stuff I missed (he seems to be much better at triggering it than I was). I don't think I'll play through the rest of the game again to catch stuff I missed. I think I'll probably just go to you tube and find the banter I didn't get.

[identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm guessing that people hate Anora because Alistair can marry her and she gets to be Queen (if you choose that route), but their character can't (unless you play human noble). But I might be wrong about this. I haven't poked around enough to tell yet, but I'm just getting that vibe that the Alistair fangirls are going to hate her.

I liked her too. She's pragmatic, intelligent and self serving, and she and Alistair make sense as a royal couple. If he hadn't been so adamant about not being king, I probably would have insisted that they get married.

[identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I have to ask, but is it just me or is the majority of the Alistair romance fanfiction, Alistair/Cousland (the human noble?)? It seems like it is, and I'm wondering if it's because everyone played human female nobles or if it's because they desperately wanted the Queen ending and that's the only way to get it.

[identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah. When she betrayed me the first time, I was like "OMG THAT BITCH IS GOING DOWN!"

But then I decided that I didn't want another super tough fight so I reloaded and gave up. After that, she kind of grew on me because it's interesting to see someone that pragmatic and self serving in a game.

[identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to say that I thought the Alistair voice actor did an absolutely fantastic job bringing that character to life. I really did like him as a character, but I just kept seeing him like some kind of little brother.

I think maybe it's because it seems to me that Alistair isn't a guy that's grown into his manhood yet. He's still awkward in his own skin, he's still unsure of himself, etc.. if that makes any sense. And while I find that compelling in a character, I just don't find it particularly attractive in a romance. So I just couldn't get into him and enjoy the romance the way I did with Carth in KoTOR.

But I'm just really glad they got away from Carth clones and did something different. They definitely deserve credit for that - I just hope we're not going to see Alistair clones in the next ten Bioware games, lol.

[identity profile] singblueeyes.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
*shrug*...mine's all elven mage, cuz then I can make it as fluffy as I wanna with the inherant knowledge that it's all gonna be filled with TEH PAIINZZZ later.

[identity profile] rose70.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, I think it's the latter, lol.

But Heather has written a lovely Human Noble/Alistair that I want more of here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5552504/1/Surprises

[identity profile] singblueeyes.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
"I just hope we're not going to see Alistair clones in the next ten Bioware games, lol."

Have you SEEN the voice-acting awesomeness that's lined up in ME2...no...no AListair clones there...*squee*

[identity profile] trojanphoenix.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's because the easiest way to get a happy ending. My fic was City Elf though. There's a lot of magefic too, but they are usually in other relationships like PC/Cullen, which seems to be popular.

[identity profile] winterfox.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
For some reason, the bridge in Ironforge Orgrimmar Ironzammar seems to trigger NPC banter a lot.

[identity profile] winterfox.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
because they desperately wanted the Queen ending and that's the only way to get it.

I'm positive it is this.

[identity profile] rose70.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
It might be a bridge thing, because I noticed that near the bridges in Lothering and Redcliffe Village too.

[identity profile] winterfox.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm guessing DA's engine is a variant/descendant of NWN's Aurora, so if we could enable the debug mode, bridges everywhere would probably be bright yellow for script triggers.

[identity profile] rose70.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, also, just noticed the word count thing on your sidebar. What is Ceres? No need to tell if you don't want to, I was just curious :)

[identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Who the heck is Cullen? Is he the dude in the mage tower that's all creepy and into your female mage, right? The guy that's supposed to kill you if you fail the test and get possessed by a demon?

I guess I could see that. I am kind of intrigued by this, because it seems to me that any kind of relationship between a mage and that dude must be seven kinds of dysfunctional crazy (especially after what happens to him when everything at the Circle goes to hell). I must look some of those fics up.

[identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, heh. I forgot that was on there. I was writing some original sci fi stuff for a while and was using the counter as motivation to get writing done. But then Dinah and I started goofing off and writing some collab kotor stuff, which is much more fun than toiling on your own with no feedback. I may go back to the story someday, but at the moment it's stalled out.

[identity profile] trojanphoenix.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 08:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep he's the guy who crushes on a female mage. Fandom like to woobiefy him.

Also, the characters are all on twitter, which is hilarious:

http://twitter.com/WitchoftheWilds/sib-da-rp-group

[identity profile] prisoner--24601.livejournal.com 2009-12-17 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh no, really? That's horrible! (The woobiefication, not the twitter, lol)

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but that seems like such a shame of some seriously fun dysfunction.

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