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I have to admit that, while I'm a sucker for a good romance, I actually detest 95% of romance novels. Romance seems to work better when it is worked into a larger, overarching plot, at least for me. So when I found myself writing a pure romance story (i.e. romance as the main focus of the plot), I was kind of shocked.
Since I have never attempted writing one before, I realized that I had no idea how to put a romance together, so I watched a lot of movies and read a lot of romance novels to try to figure it out. I also checked out the internet, and discovered there are an amazing number of websites dedicated to romance writing tips (most of which I completely disagree with). But instead of finding a common denominator about what I liked, I seemed to find a common denominator of things that irritated me and turned me off to the story (heh - I wonder what that says about me...LOL).
I made a list of things that annoy the hell out of me in romance stories. I tried to keep the list particular to romance stories, so things that plague all stories (like Mary Sues) I left off the list. And I thought I would share my awesome and profound wisdom with you all... :P
1. Characters who would be having sex, should have sex.
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. There are absolutely wonderful stories out there that have been ruined by this. It drives me absolutely insane when I see two characters, totally hot for each other and madly in love, who for some amazingly contrived plot reason, aren't having sex. It becomes especially annoying when characters are about to have sex and get interrupted again, and again, and again. I think this happens because a lot of romance authors are told that unless sex is going to reveal something about the characters or make the situation worse, it shouldn't happen, because it kills the romantic tension of the story. I kind of see their point, but I don't think that the answer is to come up with completely convoluted plot reasons for the characters not to do the deed.
There are legitimate reasons for two characters not sleeping together. But unless the author has established a cultural, ethical, or legitimate plot reason, I tune out as a reader when I see this. For instance, I wouldn't expect for characters in romance set in Edwardian England to sleep together until they got married. I wouldn't expect a shy and modest character to just jump into bed without some thought first.
2. If a character is raped (or abused as a child), then they don't get to be healed by the power of their one true love.
It's surprising how often this shows up in stories. A character will get raped, but because of the love and TLC of their significant other (and some extremely hot sex), everything is all better in the space of an extremely short period of time.
Come on. This kind of horrible abuse takes years to get over, and it is disrespectful to see writers use this as a plot contrivance to create teh drama and teh angst. What I especially hate are stories where a character is raped, but then magically healed by telepaths or the Force, so that ten minutes later, she's normal again and ready for some lovin'.
If an author is going to have a character get raped, then it is that author's duty to treat the material with respect, and actually deal with the realistic consequences. This means that the heroine will not want to be touched by another man, even her one true love, unless she's been through a lot of therapy.
3. Characters need to have a life outside of the romance.
I've read stories where I get the feeling that when the hero leaves the heroine alone, all she does is think about her lover, and wish that he were back with her. She doesn't exist as a separate person with their own desires, wants, needs, motivations, and everything revolves around the other person. This kind of co-dependant behavior is not sexy... it's dysfunctional and creepy.
4. "My love."
Unless they were living a hundred years ago, or so... people don't call each other this. Really, they don't. Seriously, this makes me want to giggle every time a character says this.
5. Characters need to like each other before they fall in love.
I've read some stories where the two characters, are totally attracted to each other for no other reason than the author says so. They are completely shitty to each other, they bicker and abuse each other horribly (because they love each other so much - don't you see) and then they all of the sudden declare their love and we the readers are supposed to believe that these two people are soul mates. WTF?
The characters need to like each other, and see qualities in each other that they like and are attracted to. This doesn't mean that the characters always have to agree with one another, but if the author hasn't shown me some reason for why these two people would like each other, beyond physical attraction, it's hard to get emotionally invested in the relationship. I've actually read romance novels where at the end, when the characters are finally together and all is happy, all I can think about is how these two people will be divorced in a year.
6. Misunderstandings that can be solved by two adults sitting down for five minutes and talking like adults, should be solved that way.
I hate it when misunderstandings drag on, and on, and on. There has to be a better way to create plot tension than that.
7. Love at first sight is boring.
Seriously, it is. At least it is in a romance novel. The whole fun is watching the attraction grow, so skipping to the cream of the story in the beginning completely defeats the purpose.
8. So is OMG! ONE TRU WUV!!!!111!!!!.
This is a huge pet peeve of mine, especially in Kotor fanfiction. Listen, ladies, Carth was married before he met Revan, and presumably he was happy (in fact, it makes it much more tragic if he loved his wife). Revan, is not his ONE TRU WUV 4EVAR.
Realistically, people can fall in love with all different kinds of people. I don't buy the soul mates forever thing in life or in fiction. Maybe I'm just jaded about this, I don't know. But when I see it in stories, I get bored.
9. Heroines need to act like adults, and not like complete flaky twits.
Personally, unless written very well (such as Bridget Jones' Diary), I find it almost impossible to identify with stupid, flighty, female, co-dependant characters. There are a lot of heroines in romance novels, whom I just want to smack and yell "Grow the hell up!" at.
10. If a hero is not a nice man, then stop writing fluffy romances about him.
This happens in kotor2 fanfic, a lot. Atton is not a nice man. He has some deeply scary mental issues that are unresolved in the game. He is also a complete and utter horndog. So if an author wants to write a fluffy romance featuring Atton, they need to do some serious character development before I'll believe that this man 1) actually can love the Exile, 2) actually does love the Exile and 3) that he is capable of having a functional relationship.
Anyway, that is the extent of my awesome wisdom. :P
Since I have never attempted writing one before, I realized that I had no idea how to put a romance together, so I watched a lot of movies and read a lot of romance novels to try to figure it out. I also checked out the internet, and discovered there are an amazing number of websites dedicated to romance writing tips (most of which I completely disagree with). But instead of finding a common denominator about what I liked, I seemed to find a common denominator of things that irritated me and turned me off to the story (heh - I wonder what that says about me...LOL).
I made a list of things that annoy the hell out of me in romance stories. I tried to keep the list particular to romance stories, so things that plague all stories (like Mary Sues) I left off the list. And I thought I would share my awesome and profound wisdom with you all... :P
1. Characters who would be having sex, should have sex.
This is a huge pet peeve of mine. There are absolutely wonderful stories out there that have been ruined by this. It drives me absolutely insane when I see two characters, totally hot for each other and madly in love, who for some amazingly contrived plot reason, aren't having sex. It becomes especially annoying when characters are about to have sex and get interrupted again, and again, and again. I think this happens because a lot of romance authors are told that unless sex is going to reveal something about the characters or make the situation worse, it shouldn't happen, because it kills the romantic tension of the story. I kind of see their point, but I don't think that the answer is to come up with completely convoluted plot reasons for the characters not to do the deed.
There are legitimate reasons for two characters not sleeping together. But unless the author has established a cultural, ethical, or legitimate plot reason, I tune out as a reader when I see this. For instance, I wouldn't expect for characters in romance set in Edwardian England to sleep together until they got married. I wouldn't expect a shy and modest character to just jump into bed without some thought first.
2. If a character is raped (or abused as a child), then they don't get to be healed by the power of their one true love.
It's surprising how often this shows up in stories. A character will get raped, but because of the love and TLC of their significant other (and some extremely hot sex), everything is all better in the space of an extremely short period of time.
Come on. This kind of horrible abuse takes years to get over, and it is disrespectful to see writers use this as a plot contrivance to create teh drama and teh angst. What I especially hate are stories where a character is raped, but then magically healed by telepaths or the Force, so that ten minutes later, she's normal again and ready for some lovin'.
If an author is going to have a character get raped, then it is that author's duty to treat the material with respect, and actually deal with the realistic consequences. This means that the heroine will not want to be touched by another man, even her one true love, unless she's been through a lot of therapy.
3. Characters need to have a life outside of the romance.
I've read stories where I get the feeling that when the hero leaves the heroine alone, all she does is think about her lover, and wish that he were back with her. She doesn't exist as a separate person with their own desires, wants, needs, motivations, and everything revolves around the other person. This kind of co-dependant behavior is not sexy... it's dysfunctional and creepy.
4. "My love."
Unless they were living a hundred years ago, or so... people don't call each other this. Really, they don't. Seriously, this makes me want to giggle every time a character says this.
5. Characters need to like each other before they fall in love.
I've read some stories where the two characters, are totally attracted to each other for no other reason than the author says so. They are completely shitty to each other, they bicker and abuse each other horribly (because they love each other so much - don't you see) and then they all of the sudden declare their love and we the readers are supposed to believe that these two people are soul mates. WTF?
The characters need to like each other, and see qualities in each other that they like and are attracted to. This doesn't mean that the characters always have to agree with one another, but if the author hasn't shown me some reason for why these two people would like each other, beyond physical attraction, it's hard to get emotionally invested in the relationship. I've actually read romance novels where at the end, when the characters are finally together and all is happy, all I can think about is how these two people will be divorced in a year.
6. Misunderstandings that can be solved by two adults sitting down for five minutes and talking like adults, should be solved that way.
I hate it when misunderstandings drag on, and on, and on. There has to be a better way to create plot tension than that.
7. Love at first sight is boring.
Seriously, it is. At least it is in a romance novel. The whole fun is watching the attraction grow, so skipping to the cream of the story in the beginning completely defeats the purpose.
8. So is OMG! ONE TRU WUV!!!!111!!!!.
This is a huge pet peeve of mine, especially in Kotor fanfiction. Listen, ladies, Carth was married before he met Revan, and presumably he was happy (in fact, it makes it much more tragic if he loved his wife). Revan, is not his ONE TRU WUV 4EVAR.
Realistically, people can fall in love with all different kinds of people. I don't buy the soul mates forever thing in life or in fiction. Maybe I'm just jaded about this, I don't know. But when I see it in stories, I get bored.
9. Heroines need to act like adults, and not like complete flaky twits.
Personally, unless written very well (such as Bridget Jones' Diary), I find it almost impossible to identify with stupid, flighty, female, co-dependant characters. There are a lot of heroines in romance novels, whom I just want to smack and yell "Grow the hell up!" at.
10. If a hero is not a nice man, then stop writing fluffy romances about him.
This happens in kotor2 fanfic, a lot. Atton is not a nice man. He has some deeply scary mental issues that are unresolved in the game. He is also a complete and utter horndog. So if an author wants to write a fluffy romance featuring Atton, they need to do some serious character development before I'll believe that this man 1) actually can love the Exile, 2) actually does love the Exile and 3) that he is capable of having a functional relationship.
Anyway, that is the extent of my awesome wisdom. :P
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(I feel kinda bad, cause this is someone who's read and complimented my stuff. I never know what to do in situations like that; when someone checks out my stuff and then I go to check out their stuff and it's kinda...well...not that great :/)
I've had to struggle with this myself, so I understand how you feel. The conclusion I've come to is that unless someone tells the author the problems in their story, how are they going know that those problems exist or grow as an author?
Actually, while I've had a few authors get mad at me, most authors are rather gracious about the reviews they get, even if they completely disagree with what I've told them.
Pshaw. I love yours too much to attempt a pale comparison ;)
Aww... come and join us in the cult of Morgana... You know you want too... LOL.
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I read the rest of her story in an attempt to be fair and put her characterization in context, and this insanely long review was the result.
I followed the link, read your review, and read the comments following it. It made me... seethe. Dangerously. Apparently the KotOR fandom, too, has its share of "u r so meeeen1!11 this iz fanfiction so she can do wutevah she wnats!11!!" fanbrats. Grrr.
*takes a deep breath* And this is why I deliberately keep myself as a fandom recluse (don't go to kotorfanmedia.com, don't go to
Oh, screw it. Can you link me to the worst offenders of OOC Canderous? Or OOC, period?
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Heh... I understand completely. I have to say though that the mods on both sites are fantastic people. When trouble started brewing over on kfm (http://www.kotorfanmedia.com/) the mods backed me up, and have been amazingly cool about my reviews. They’ve tried to put a lid on all the nonsense, although since that blow up there has been another incident (over my review for the Morgana story linked below), which they quickly shut down. I suspect that there will be more in the future though, since the animosity seems to grow, and I simply refuse to stop leaving my reviews because some overly sensitive people are pissed off at me.
I've been informed that there is actually a group of writers who have been bitching to the mods about me, which is kind of hilarious really. The thing is that at least 80% of all my reviews are entirely positive, so I'm not sure where all this animosity is coming from, other than these people have no clue as to what constructive criticism really is. I’m not certain, but I think this review (http://kotorfanmedia.com/story/jiara/questions-of-character-chapter-6/) might be the review that started my anti-fan club (even though no one said anything at the time - I think this is the review that Lady Viola was referring to when she jumped in my shit over Caritas O’s story), because this author is extremely popular in both her writing and on the message boards. It has to be that review, because other than a negative review of a male Revan story (which I highly doubt any of these Carth fangirls read), all of my comments on kfm before the big blowup in Caritas O's story had been almost entirely positive (unless I'm forgetting something).
Oh, screw it. Can you link me to the worst offenders of OOC Canderous? Or OOC, period?
Most of the stuff I've read lately is actually pretty decent. I haven't seen many examples of OOC Canderous recently, since there don't seem to be a lot of fics with him in it. The biggest OOC offenders that I've seen lately are boneheaded Carth (http://kotorfanmedia.com/story/jiara/questions-of-character-chapter-1/) (because Carth would totally be stupid enough to give Revan a diamond ring from TELOS), and super forgiving Morgana (http://kotorfanmedia.com/story/jiara/the-gift/) (because, you know, that the afterlife makes everyone as forgiving as Jesus). Interestingly
These fics are far from god awful... but they have some serious characterization issues. Actually, my comment for the Morgana fic spawned some silliness from a poster named Phantom who took offense and attacked me and my review. The author herself weighed in, and I could tell that she was extremely pissed off at me (which is actually kind of rare, since the authors are generally far more gracious than their readers are). The mods deleted both of their posts (which was kind of disappointing in a way, cause I found the sheer venom against me kinda funny) but left my review stand which I'm grateful for. The Morgana fic ended up winning the writing challenge, so I guess this shows how different my tastes are from everyone else.
Here is a far worse version of OCC Carth (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2382471/1/).
For some really awesome badfic, this monstrosity (http://kotorfanmedia.com/story/aaron-lightblade/aaron-lightblade-general-of-the-republic-verse-i/) is the worst story I've seen in a long time, and the author's comments to the reviews are hilariously pretentious.
So you won’t loose faith in humanity, I feel compelled to link Binary Star's story (http://kotorfanmedia.com/story/binary-star/before-the-dawn-part-1/) which is the best I've read in months.